Theist vs Atheist

 

I saw this posting somewhere....Awesome!!

 An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem science has with God, The Almighty. He asks one of his new students to stand and…..

Prof: So you believe in God?
Student: Absolutely, sir.
Prof: Is God good?
Student: Sure.
Prof: Is God all-powerful?
Student: Yes..
Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn’t. How is this God good then? Hmm?
(Student is silent.)
Prof: You can’t answer, can you? Let’s start again, young fella. Is God good?
Student: Yes.
Prof: Is Satan good?
Student: No.
Prof: Where does Satan come from?
Student: From….God…
Prof: That’s right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student: Yes.
Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn’t it? And God did make everything. Correct?
Student: Yes.
Prof: So who created evil?
(Student does not answer.)
Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don’t they?
Student: Yes, sir.
Prof: So, who created them?
(Student has no answer.)
Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son…Have you ever seen God?
Student: No, sir.
Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?
Student: No, sir.
Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?
Student: No, sir. I’m afraid I haven’t.
Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student: Yes.
Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your GOD doesn’t exist.
What do you say to that, son?
Student: Nothing. I only have my faith.
Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.
Student: Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Prof: Yes.
Student: And is there such a thing as cold?
Prof: Yes.
Student: No sir. There isn’t.

 

(The lecturer becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)
 
Student: Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat.. But we don’t have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it . (There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)

Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?

Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn’t darkness?
 
Student : You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light…..But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it’s called darkness, isn’t it? In reality, darkness isn’t. If it were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?

Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?
 
Student: Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
 
Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?
 
Student: Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can’t even explain a thought.. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one.To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is
not the opposite of life: just the absence of it.
Now tell me, Professor.Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?
 
Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.
 
Student: Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
 
(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument is going.)

Student: Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher? (The class is in uproar.)
Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor’s brain?
 
(The class breaks out into laughter.)

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor’s brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain,sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?
(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face unfathomable.)

Prof: I guess you’ll have to take them on faith, son.

Student: That is it sir… The link between man & god is FAITH . That is all that keeps things moving & alive.

….this is a true story, and the student was none other than …….

APJ Abdul Kalam, the former President of India

Excerpts from Hsin Hsin Ming: The Book of Nothing

The Great Way is not difficult for those who have no preferences. When love and hate are both absent everything becomes clear and undisguised. Make the smallest distinction, however, and heaven and earth are set infinitely apart. If you wish to see the truth then hold no opinion for or against. The struggle of what one likes and what one dislikes is the disease of the mind.

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When the deep meaning of things is not understood the mind's essential peace is disturbed to no avail. The way is perfect like vast space where nothing is lacking and nothing is in excess. Indeed, it is due to our choosing to accept or reject that we do not see the true nature of things. Live neither in the entanglements of outer things, nor in inner feelings of emptiness. Be serene without striving activity in the oneness of things and such erroneous views will disappear by themselves. When you try to stop activity to achieve passivity your very effort fills you with activity. As long as you remain in one extreme or the other you will never know Oneness. Those who do not live in the single Way fail in both activity and passivity, assertion and denial.

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To deny the reality of things is to miss their reality; to assert the emptiness of things is to miss their reality. The more you talk and think about it, the further astray you wander from the truth. Stop talking and thinking and there is nothing you will not be able to know.

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To return to the root is to find the meaning, but to pursue appearances is to miss the source. At the moment of inner enlightenment there is a going beyond appearance and emptiness. The changes that appear to occur in the empty world we call real only because of our ignorance. Do not search for the truth; only cease to hold opinions. Do not remain in the dualistic state; avoid such pursuits carefully. If there is a trace of this and that, the right and wrong, the Mind-essence will be lost in confusion. Although all dualities come from the One, do not be attached even to this One. When mind exists undisturbed in the Way, nothing in the world can offend, and when a thing can no longer offend it ceases to exist in the old way. When no discriminating thoughts arise, the old mind ceases to exist.

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When thought objects vanish, the thinking-subject vanishes, as when the mind vanishes, objects vanish. Things are objects because of the subject; the mind is such because of things. Understand the relativity of these two and the basic reality: the unity of emptiness. In this Emptiness the two are indistinguishable and each contains in itself the whole world. If you do not discriminate between coarse and fine you will no be tempted to prejudice and opinion.

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To live in the Great Way is neither easy nor difficult, but those with limited views are fearful and irresolute: the faster they hurry, the slower they go, and clinging cannot be limited: even to be attached to the idea of enlightenment is to go astray. Just let things be in their own way and there will be neither coming nor going. Obey the nature of things (your own nature), and you will walk freely and undisturbed. When thought is in bondage the truth is hidden, for everything is murky and unclear, and the burdensome practice of judging brings annoyance and weariness. What benefit can be derived from distinctions and separations? If you wish to move in the One Way do not dislike even the world of senses and ideas. Indeed, to accept them fully is identical with true Enlightenment. The wise man strives for no goals but the foolish man fetters himself. There is one Dharma, truth, law, not many; distinctions arise from the clinging needs of the ignorant. To seek Mind with the discriminating mind is the greatest of all mistakes.

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Rest and unrest derive from illusion; with enlightenment there is no liking and disliking. All dualities come from ignorant inference. They are like dreams or flowers in the air; foolish try to grasp them. Gain and loss, right and wrong: such thoughts must finally be abolished at once. If the eye never sleeps, all dreams will naturally cease. If the mind makes no discriminations, the ten thousand things are as they are, of single essence. To understand the mystery of this One-essence is to be released from all entanglements. When all things are seen equally the timeless Self-essence is reached. No comparisons or analogies are possible in this causeless, relationless state.

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Consider movement stationary and the stationary in motion, and both the state of movement and the state of rest disappear. When such dualities cease to exist Oneness itself cannot exist. To this ultimate finality no law or description applies. For the unified mind in accord with the Way all self-centered striving ceases. Doubts and irresolutions vanish and life in true faith is possible. With a single stroke we are freed from bondage; nothing clings to us and we hold nothing. All is empty, clear, self-illuminating, with no exertion of the mind's power. Here thought, feeling, knowledge, and imagination are of no value.

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In this world of Suchness there is neither self nor other-than-self. To come directly into harmony with this reality just simply say when doubts arise, "Not two." In this "not two" nothing is separate, nothing is excluded. No matter when or where, enlightenment means entering this truth. And this truth is beyond extension or diminution in time or space; in it a single thought is then thousand years.

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Emptiness here, Emptiness there, but the infinite universe stands always before our eyes. Infinitely large and infinitely small; no difference, for definitions have vanished and no boundaries are seen. So too with Being and non-Being. Don't waste time in doubts and arguments that have nothing to do with this. One thing, all things: move among and intermingle, without distinction. To live in this realization is to be without anxiety about non-perfection. To live in this faith is the road to non-duality, because the non-dual is one with the trusting mind.

The reality of Life...listen to this Qawali

This qawali is a mirror to the reality of life. It relates that we should not get so wrapped up in this unreal world, rather treasure the life and face it. Death is a reality, we should accept it. As our Hindu belief is in Karma philosophy says do good deeds to clean your spirit and avoid consequences of eternal punishment from your bad karmas. This lyrics are so close to the harsh truths of life that we unknowingly ignore. We get so engrossed in the materialistic world and start valuing it too much whereas we forget the eternal truth that no one has ever come alive out of this life. We forget our purpose in life and not do good deeds 

I am sharing the Hindi lyrics, soon I will try to post an English translated version.

Hindi Lyrics:

hue naamavar benishan kaise kaise
zameen kha gayi naujawan kaise kaise 

aaj jawani par itaranae wale kal pacthtayega - 2
chadhta suraj dheere dheere dhalta hain dhal jayega - 2
dhal jayega dhal jayega - 2

tu yahan musafir hain,yeh sarah fani hain 
chaar roz ki mehmaan teri jindagani hain 
teri jindagani hain teri jindagani hain 
jan zameen jar zevar kutch na saath jayega
khali haath aaya hain khali haath jayega
khali haath jayega khali haath jayega
jaan kar bhi anjana ban raha hain deewane
apni umrefani par tan raha hain deewane
tan raha hain deewane tan raha hain deewane
is kadar tu khoya hain is jahan ke mele
tu khuda ko bhula hain phas ke is jhamaele main
aaj tak yeh dekha hain paanewala khota hain
jindagi ko jo samjha jindagi pe rota hain
jindagi pe rota hain jindagi pe rota hain
mitne wali duniya ka aaitbaar karta hain
kya samajh ke tu aakhir isse pyar karta hain
isse pyar karta hain isse pyar karta hain
apne apne fikro main jo bhi hain woh uljha hain
jo bhi hain woh uljha hain 
jindagi haqeeqat main kya hain kaun samjha hain
kya hain kaun samjha hain
aaj samajhle aaj samajhle kal yeh mauka haath na tere aayega
o gaflat ki neend main sone wale dhoka khayega
chadhta suraj dheere dheere dhalta hain dhal jayega - 2
dhal jayega dhal jayega - 2

maut ne zamane ko yeh sama dikh dala
kaise kaise us gum ko khak main mila dala
khak main mila dala khak main mila dala
yaad rakh sikander ke hausle to aali they
jab gaya tha duniya se dono haath khali they
dono haath khali they dono haath khali they
apna woh halaku hain aur na uske saathi hain
jung ko chu woh porus hain aur na uske haathi hain
aur na uske haathi hain aur na uske haathi hain
kal jo tanke chalte they apni shano shaukat par
shamma tak nahi jalti aaj unki purbat par
aaj unki purbat par aaj unki purbat par
apna ho ya ala ho sabko laut jaana hain
sabko laut jaana hain sabko laut jaana hain
muflis aur tavundar ka kabra hi thikana hain
kabra hi thikana hain kabra hi thikana hain
jaisi karni jaisi karni waisi bharni aaj kiya kal payega
sir ko uthakar chalne wale ek din thokar payega
chadhta suraj dheere dheere dhalta hain dhal jayega - 2
dhal jayega dhal jayega - 2

maut sabko aani hain kaun isse chuta hain
tu fana nahi hoga yeh khayal jhutha hain
yeh khayal jhutha hain yeh khayal jhutha hain
saans tutate hi sab rishtey tut jaayenge
baap, maa, behan, biwi, Bachhe choot jayenge
bachhe choot jayenge Bachhe choot jayenge 
tere jitne hain bhai waqt ka chalan denge
chin kar teri daulat do hi gaj kafan denge
do hi gaj kafan denge do hi gaj kafan denge
jinko apna kehta hain kab yeh tere saathi hain
kabra hain teri mazil aur yeh baraati hain
laake kabra main tujhko urda pak dalenge
apne haathon se tere muh pe khak dalenge
muh pe khak dalenge muh pe khak dalenge
teri saari ulfat ko khak main mila denge
tere chahne wale kal tujhe mila denge
kal tujhe mila denge kal tujhe mila denge
isliye yeh kehta hu khub soch le dil main
kyon phasaye baitha hain jaan apni mushkil main
jaan apni mushkil main jaan apni mushkil main
kar gunaho se tauba aake baat sambhal jaaye
aake baat sambhal jaaye
dum ka kya bharosa hain jaane kab nikal jaaye
jaane kab nikal jaaye
muthhi bandh ke aanewale,muthhi bandh ke aanewale

haath pasare jayega
dhan daulat jaagir se tune kya paya kya payega
chadhta suraj dheere dheere dhalta hain dhal jayega - 6

ॐ नमः शम्भवाय च

" ॐ  नमः  शम्भवाय  च  मयोभवाय च
 नमः  शंकराया च मयास्कराया च
नमः शिवाय च शिवतराय च "

It means ----
O God!
" I bow to the form of God manifested as Well Being
and to the form of God manifested as the forms of Delight
I bow to God as Creator of well being
and as Creator of the forms of Delight  and,
I bow to the Peaceful & Unmanifested form of God
and to the form of God further beyond to the form as Shiva".

Here , God has been described in 6 forms i. e.
1:- SHAMBHAV (well being),2:-MAYOBHAV(manifested as the forms of delight)
3:- SHANKER ( creator of well being),4:- MAYASKER (creator of delight)
5:-SHIV (peaceful & unmanifested form of God) 6:- SHIVTARA ( the form further beyond the Shiva form ).